Qatari women doomed in Qatar?

Please blame someone atleast to get started !

i dont know about more in islam but i know every humman should have rights to marry any person in this world why woman can't marry non qatari ok if thisis law of qatar i agree and respect too becoz i get food from land of qatar so i prase qatar but what is the intenstion behind wedding with non qatari at age after 30 or 40. if its about nationalties then they should get citizebn ship becoz all thing is availble which available out side qatar like chruch. mosque etc all facilties expect doing buniess need spnonsers better goverment should give 2nd class citizen ship and make his qatar family happy we all should respect girls and give them more right as islam tells.

Gender gap is worldwide issue not limited to Qatar or the region. The presentation linked below concludes:

"Qatari women’s participation in household decision making was high and attitudes of the respondents towards women’s participation is also positive."

So, is the restriction you are referring to coming from the elder women or the men?

Cultures are slow self correcting process, actually very slow.

http://www.qu.edu.qa...
5th presentation of Session 2
"Education, employment and the status of Qatari women: findings from a household survey"
Dr. Mohammad Nizam khan - Social and Economic Survey Research Institute - Qatar University

It would be interesting to hear from more Qatari ladies. A lot of well educated and their English is excellent.

The OP is right about one thing, Qatari men would not want to marry a Qatari who went to university in the west. They worry they are not pure. This really weighs on their mind as they board the plane to Bangkok to go for 'medical' treatment.....

mozaismyhero: I don't think that's true. I don’t think it got anything to do with purity/ chastity issues. I think the real reason behind this assumed Reluctance in some of the qatari male populace is more to do with the western educated girls being more work oriented and harder to manipulate and control.

even in UK we have differences between men & women for example 99% of electricians, plumbers, taxi driver, engineers & rubbish collectors are men.
If you look deeper into the question i think u will find that god made us different for different jobs
marriage is a partnership whether its equal or not there is still a meeting of 2 different mentalities/genders & its not always as special as one would hope for it takes practice & hardwork to keep a marriage in harmony whatever ur culture is

And what's that to do with womens freedom? are you suggesting that the less a woman dresses in public the more librated she becomes?

MarcoNandoz-01: well... that is just a little, tiny, small part of freedom :D

Liberated word has a huge meaning, not only by wearing a dress.

Hello QR,

Thank you for a very insightful topic. I was thoroughly impressed.

http://www.qatarlivi...

Thanks you'll in sharing your perspective on this.

See, the point that I am trying to make, is that although women in Qatar are able to drive(if their family allow it), able to study abroad(if their family allow it),etc.. Society don't judge men as much as it judges women.
Yes, I am thankful for what we have, but I strive for more, for a better society, for equal opportunities, for equal rights and without society harsh judgments and blames.
Women have to start making their own decisions, without any pressure from anyone, many women were successful convincing their families about their decisions, others are unfortunate.
Additionally, I am not talking about biological differences, nor I am claiming that women should do the "exact" same jobs men does, this is not my point.

Also, what I have stated are just few examples about how roles defined, how society and some individuals looks at women. Yes, we are rich country, yes we have a small Qatari population (300,000+-), therefore I don't think positive change is impossible.
Few years ago, women couldn't even think about studying certain majors in college, because it's considered to be male-only majors, now that has changed, it took few years but it changed eventually. Change can come soon, it might be not easy, but we always need to find a way to change for better.

There is no question & discussion to be made if Muslims follow the guide of HOLY QUR'AN, the Perfect guide to the right path & Peace.

It helps us non Qatari to understand

There should freedom and equal rights for all despite ur religion, race, color, gender, education etc.
FREEDOM FOR ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!

First class thread and contribution from Qatar Revolutionist - best original submission on a real issue I have read on QL in many weeks.

Very thought provoking.

Qatari women are making a bigger and bigger contribution to society here. Just look at Sheika Moza as a positive example. No longer do women need to be kept prisoner in their homes and denied interaction with the outside world.

In fact I think it is Qatari men that have the bigger problem adjusting.

Every girl can't be like Shiekha Moza! Now Shiekha Moza do not drive her car! Why remaining Qatari girls want to drive the car?

Yeah ingeniro women's rights..... Those annoying women should just stay at home and do as they are told.

We're you born in 640 or do you just like being an oppressor of women?

Nomerci said Ingeniero, it is because of men like you that woman have to fight so hard for something that should be naturally theirs.

and what exactly are those rights you are talking about?

every girl don't want to show her body or want to be like a men, We know our women, and know what exactly they want, not every woman want to go naked/topless/in bikini, nor every women want to go to night clubs, bars!
Now about other rights! Education, they do study in best institutions,
About Job, well we have restrictions, some society but mainly religious, they do their jobs, teaching field or some others every doctors, where they less interact with culprits(Men) But giving them free hand NO!

Now again - you guys gonna call me the same guy - against whom women are struggling, But struggling for what?

The classic defence of an oppressor of women. You claim you are protecting them, keeping them safe, that is why you stop them doing certain jobs, stop them marrying outside of your culture, question why they need to drive and so it goes on.

Women are not pets to be protected from what you think are bad. Women are independent humans that should be given the freedom enjoyed by men

Ewwww, I am not protecting them, don't think like a fool, One who can't protect him self will protect other???
here we have a bit more difference, you don't believe on God and I do, so I will think on that perspective while you can do on some other side!!!

and I told ya, every female don't want to act like ....!! there are some, who want to stay respectable and live with dignity!

MIMH, We stop them to work in intense heat, For you its alright, for me not, i don't want that my sister/daughter suffer in this hot weather outside, Don't want her to be a taxi driver, with whom sometimes a drunk a**hole sit in back seat and talk bullsh!t, same many others,

BTW she don't want such jobs also, now again you can blame us/family/society, that we teach her such things, that's why she don't like such things, but in the end argument is same!
but still there are plenty of engineers, doctors, economist, politicians - almost in every field, they are present!

im 100% english, i dont wanna wear a bikini nor do i wanna go to bars.........its about choice the CHOICE was mine & only MINE to live my life the way i like....but obviously my parents gave me the tools & education to choose what way of living is right for me.
example: do i need vodka to have a good time? NO! i can have a good time & remain vertical.
Do i need to wear a bikini to swim? NO! i actually wear shorts with a tshirt. btw i am not muslim i am christian but i respect myself & others around me & like to keep my body for my husband at home i have no problem walking naked if i like & believe me after holding a driving license for 25 years...........i prefer a taxi now ( no headache & i can relax ) driving is not a big deal

All sensible/decent females don't want it, and one can't stop the remaining dirty ones.... cuz they will always find a way to break the rule, you introduced to stop them..!! in the end women are free!!

tinkerbell, majority of men are expert in female problems :p

I'll say the same thing to you also, don't judge, if you don't know!

Bravado to the OP for having the courage to speak her mind up ( which i think is very rare for female in ME country (?)

I think some men in ME are not yet ready for some "cultural changes". It's not that easy for men to digest that women are coming up to their senses that they are nobody's property.

You made a Judgemental call on women when u made ur comment and i quote..."All sensible/decent females don't want it, and one can't stop the remaining dirty ones.... cuz they will always find a way to break the rule, you introduced to stop them..!! in the end women are free!!"

If you dont want people to judge you then you extend the same courtesy, and i will use your own comment - dont judge if you dont know!

I would throw that questions back. How many come on here to say how happy they are? Would be nice to hear from some of them either way.

Well said QR. Although I do not know you, you sound like a lady who sticks by her principals. However you do have my sympathy for the men on here who think they can lecture women and tell them that they know what is best for them.

Welcome QR, I appreciate your views but whats your point and mission.

QL is not a right place to make Qatari women change their conservative mind set. As you said Not every one could even speak or write in English properly.

If you want change QatariRevolutionist you need to fight for it.

If marriages are being forced on you through family pressure, refuse to marry.

If you want a job your told you can't have because you're a woman, take the company to court.

If you don't want to wear an abaya, take it off

Petition your government for more rights. Take to the streets in protest.

These are things that women in countless other countries have had to do, and what the women in Saudi Arabia and Egypt are doing now.

You won't get anything if you don't fight for it.

I will use your own comment - dont judge if you dont know

In general, Qatari don't send their children to English schools and abroad for education to stop getting influenced by western free cultures / society.

Believe me, it is not easy but with the time this may and will change for betterment of the society, Women needs upliftment and empowerment, which is happening.

UK Eng, and to set straight a picture that clearly is inaccurate, especially the number of times people use the nun habit vs Abaya argument.

A nun has the choice to becoming a civilian or a nun, which means she CHOOSES to wear the habit and head cover.

A Muslim woman doesn't have that choice, she is instructed by the Q'uran that when she starts to menstruate, she has to cover up from anyone other than father, brothers, uncles or husband.

Do you see the difference?

Xena : I'm sorry but I have to disagree with that.
Both the Nun and the Hejabi women are given the same order in both scripts..
1 Corinthians 11:3-6
"If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head"

Corinthians 11:5
'' But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved.
From the above cited biblical verses it’s quite evident both have been instructed to cover their heads by their holy books

Do we need this type of freedom for oppressed:read here

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Do we need this type of freedom for oppressed:read here

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QR, I am not talking about Qatari or Arab only, was talking about women in my society, back in my country also, it was general, and then though I talked a bit about Qatari one also, that was just to compare them with others, who are suffering more according to them, as mentioned many times by fellow QLers, My point is not to stop/oppress female gender from jobs, education, I want to know what exactly the freedom is? Allowing them everything, and then see what they do? It's the same thing again, as mentioned by one, that you make your mind from the childhood in such a way that then they never want those things.
you are enjoying your freedom properly, You are allowed, but still you avoid clubs, drinks etc, but do you think every girl can be like you? Won't it make the society more worse then currently it is? How much freedom given to males, and then how much the society is suffering, what if same given to female, Won't they do more?

Again there are some restriction from the religion side also, Old conservatives, They want to stick to the old traditions, rules, strive for more, but slowly and steadily! We can't reach to the top in one night! First change the mind of your males family members, like many did, So that they feel comfortable they Female are outside and they can take care, it's same as a young boy who go out side in LC and they receive his dead body back! there would be a bit different situation but results can be same, lose a member!
Oppressed for many years mean like Spring, you remove the weight, and it will jump high! Not in all cases but maximum cases..
Wish you all the best though!
and in the end, I must say again, that I am not against the female, cuz I born from Female not male, my first teacher was female(my Mom) not male(Father) and there are thousand examples other!

Oh hunn, I've seen worst, that's nothing trust me ;) I am tougher than that.