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Crazy World:Mum sells kid for Dh4 only

INDIA: A poverty stricken mother sold her four-month old baby for a paltry sum of Rs 64 (about Dh4) to a couple from Nepal.
Belonging to an extremely poor section of the society in the Indian state of Bihar, the woman who was in her 30s was struggling for survival, police officials revealed to Indian television channel NDTV.
The woman also has other children. She apparently moved from the place where she was staying with her children. Before moving away she told her neighbours that she gave the child away for his own good. But her daughter told them that she had sold her baby for Rs62.
However, the woman maintained that she did not gain anything from the transaction but in fact had 'donated' her baby.
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LincolnPirate said
What about the father? Women ...What about the father? Women need a man to have babies.
Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!
Molten Metal said
LP ...This is a case of extreme hopeless poverty ...
When results show that one's decisions are of not right frame of mind & shocking and surprising to common humanity norms.
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LincolnPirate said
In this case, MM, they should ...In this case, MM, they should think about making babies, if they have a brain!
Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!
britexpat said
It's seems crazy to us, but ...It's seems crazy to us, but it is not easy for any woman to give up her offspring. She obviously felt that the child could get a better life with the new couple.
fea_sad said
LP ... you are right they ...LP ... you are right they shud think about making babies .. but mostly in India specially poor people think that if they have more babies n when they grow old they will earn more money .
its the matter of educating such people
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abu-husna said
really crazy ...this world is really crazy...
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Miss Mimi said
This is why people need ...This is why people need access to free contraception.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Molten Metal said
folks ...A couple like this is in the dire need of society's support.
Expecting 'anything' from them , at this stage is really like asking for too much , beyound their capacity.
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Pappu_Pager said
fea_sad ...education has nothing to do human understanding
Molten Metal said
Mimi ...That way, [ birth control ]..
Aren't we stopping someone from taking birth who may have the actual solution to uproot this kind of social stigmas !!
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fea_sad said
what i meant is to at least ...what i meant is to at least give them sme kind of knowledge n info
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britexpat said
Is birth control the answer - ...Is birth control the answer - not always .
fea_sad said
birth control is the not ONLY ...birth control is the not ONLY solution
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" Start each day with something in mind ... And end the day with one word .. DONE "
Miss Mimi said
What social stigma? She was ...What social stigma?
She was ridiculously poor and she had too many children to take care of. She sold her baby, not only for money, but to give him a better life.
If she had had access to birth control she could have avoided this pregnancy (and perhaps a couple of others) and not been so poor.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Pappu_Pager said
birth control ...was never and can never be a solution.
Miss Mimi said
How is not having children ...How is not having children you can't afford to feed not a solution?
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Colt45 said
Umm ...There are many reasons, not having access to family planning, sex/reproduction education, contraceptives and abortion services does increase the birth rate.
Culture still plays a major role in these dynamics though. Educating women and empowering them to have more choice in their own reproductive choices has decreased the birth rate in some areas. The problem with that though is that you do have to educate men as well, as culturally, they make the major decisions in regards to reproduction. The issue is about empowering women culturally via education and economic opportunity.
Miss Mimi said
All the education in the ...All the education in the world won't do a thing if they don't have access to contraception. And there's no mention of a man in this story.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
chameleon said
Education and birth control ...Education and birth control (natural or artificial)will be helpful in preventing this kind of situation. Agree with Miss Mimi, why bring a child into this world when you cannot be a responsible parent to provide its needs.
ydlov12 said
Just grow some brains ...It's not birth control. "Brains" is the solution. People need to grow brains. I understand ignorance plays a role. But one grows a brain after the first or the second "slip". Just grow some brains.
"There is no good and evil. There is only power; and those too weak to seek it."
Miss Mimi said
How will brains help prevent ...How will brains help prevent pregnancy?
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
FathimaH said
I believe the two are interconnected ...Education and contraception. Because without one the other becomes useless.
Birth control is a solution for people who have no need or desire to have kids and will either kill or get rid of them. Luckily this woman sold them off to a seemingly decent couple, how many instead sell them off to brothels or dispose of them in far worse ways.
"And the slaves of the Most Beneficent (Allah) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness"(Surah Al Furqan:63)
LincolnPirate said
MM, did you get pregnant ...MM, did you get pregnant brainlessly? Just a question.
Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!
Molten Metal said
folks ...Birth control is selfish & narrow mindedness.
We don't have the right to stop someone coming into this world.
Give chance to one & all and make them part of the solution to world's problems rather than brand them as a problem in themselves.
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Miss Mimi said
Sure. Once I went off birth ...Sure. Once I went off birth control I didn't really have any control over when I got pregnant.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Miss Mimi said
Yes we do have the right to ...Yes we do have the right to decide when and how we have children!! What's narrow minded and selfish is having children you can't afford to feed!
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Molten Metal said
OK ...Our parents didn't stop us so should be expected from us.
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Miss Mimi said
My parents planned me and my ...My parents planned me and my brother. They did not have us accidentally, or any more than the two of us, because they they wouldn't have been able to afford us.
I planned my son, I am planning when I will have my next child.
I'm not just going and getting pregnant willy nilly.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
breedme said
oh my. i pity to them. your ...oh my. i pity to them. your right molten they really need of government and society's support..
breed me now
LincolnPirate said
"I didn't really have any ..."I didn't really have any control over when I got pregnant."
"I'm not just going and getting pregnant willy nilly."
What now, MM?
Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!
Miss Mimi said
I'm on contraception LP. ...I'm on contraception LP. When I decide its time to have another child I will go off contraception. Then I will have no control over when I get pregnant.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
LincolnPirate said
I did not want to know your ...I did not want to know your status, MM. But I insist that even without contraception a woman has control over her pregnancy. Just don't let the guy come in. What now?
... it requires some brain, though ..
Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!
Miss Mimi said
If a woman wants to live a ...If a woman wants to live a life of celibacy, and her husbands A-Ok with that, than good on them. However for most married couples celibacy isn't an option.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Pink hippo17 said
Agree with the comments about ...Agree with the comments about birth control...Also common sense would tell you, you can't feed yourself and the kids you already have so why have more??..Birth control would be the wise choice here..Very sad to have to be in that position in the first place.
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chameleon said
Molten, how can birth control ...Molten, how can birth control be selfish and narrow-minded? Isn't irresponsible sex leading to procreation more selfish? If you can't totally abstain then might as well consider birth control. That IMHO is an open minded decision.
ROSENMOGRA said
yes our government do not have money ...Our politicians got savings in foreign banks. and their children are studying abroad. They have z+ securities their family members are going free cost for foreign trip. Billions are collecting taxes. But no ministers or government organiations got time to reach the poor uneducated people. they will go for asking the votes. By throwing money to the poor they are buying votes. once they get in power they will forget these poor people. No one can do anything unless and until corrupted polticians are ruling the world. There are many childless couples in India. If we want to adopt there is a lengthy procedure. that is why parents are selling their child due to high cost of living.
QatariRevolutionist said
A woman giving birth to a ...A woman giving birth to a child doesn't qualify her to be a mother. Just like a male who has junk doesn't qualify him to be a man :)
Victory_278692 said
Lack of basic information, ...education and poverty still prevails in India...Ummm
fea_sad said
an Antonio police say a woman ...San Antonio police say a woman accused of beheading her 3-week-old infant son used a knife and two swords in the attack and ate some of the child's body parts.
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus told reporters Monday that Otty Sanchez's attack on her son, Scott Wesley Buchholtz-Sanchez, was "too heinous" to fully discuss.
But he says Sanchez ate part of the newborn's brain and bit off three of his toes before stabbing herself twice.
Police say the 33-year-old Sanchez told officers who were called to her house early Sunday that she killed her son at the devil's request.
Sanchez is charged with capital murder and is being held on $1 million bail. She is recovering from her wounds at a hospital.
what you guys have to say abt this mom
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fea_sad said
atleast the other one sold ...atleast the other one sold off her baby .. so that her baby has better life
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Molten Metal said
chameleon ...Selfish because we got our birth but then stopping others from having their birth [ from us ... ].
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britexpat said
fea_sad.. ...So, would you say that this lady sold her child to give her a better life also ?
A woman is accused of selling her baby for a pickup and methamphetamine. She traded her infant for a 1999 Dodge Dakota pickup and some meth.
The couple accused of taking the child, were arrested Thursday on charges of human trafficking. Both have pleaded not guilty.
The baby, whom police found with the couple and their three biological kids, is now 6 months old and has been placed in the care of child-welfare workers.
The trade was made soon after the baby was born. Officers tracked down the pickup and the current owner told police he bought the truck for $800.
If convicted, the pair who "bought" teh baby could face up to 20 years in prison.
So, my question - should they be prosecuted - since they gave the child a loving home that the mother could not ..
ghazalz said
But why she took 62 rupees? ...But why she took 62 rupees?
Molten Metal said
fea you said ...''what i meant is to at least give them sme kind of knowledge n info''
But the 'unique person' who is to give knowledge & info to the masses is not allowed to come into this world by the birth control practices ...
This [ contraceptives ] is actually back firing us [ humanity ....]
we are deprived of that 'unique person' who has to show us [ world community ]the way ...
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Miss Mimi said
How many kids do you have ...How many kids do you have Molten?
Fea_sad, I've heard that story. She's been diagnosed with SEVERE post natal depression (to the point of hallucinations) and is now in a mental institution.
You can't compare the two cases.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
ydlov12 said
something to ponder upon ...As by some or one of you, it's alright to bring children into the world but not provide them with the minimum that a human being deserves? And by minimum i mean food on the table,a safe roof, space to grow in, privacy of a room within the walls of which one grows as an independent individual,integrity! Need i list more?
If my family won't provide me with these basics that "I" as a "human being" have the prerogative to,I'd rather they not bear me at all. Fair enough.
"There is no good and evil. There is only power; and those too weak to seek it."
Pappu_Pager said
miss mimi ...y cant we compare the two cases bcz different locations
Molten Metal said
ghazal ...We need to be very very sensitive & consider the mental state of that mother's mind, it seems ....
she does not realize what actually is being done by her, it proves she not greedy , taking very little money proves she is not selling kid for money, she is doing it as a permanent relief to herself / or her kid [ God Knows - I am afraid when I type this - God forgive me ].
Only those who are compassionate & has met very poor or under depression people personally can understand it .
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Victory_278692 said
East or West two different ...East or West two different Crazy world!
Some eat their own children, some put them for their pets either they are mentally sick or sickened by poverty. Poverty of basic civilised knowledge is the cause.
Miss Mimi said
PP, because they are too ...PP, because they are too completely different cases. One is a woman who had a complete mental breakdown and the other is one who couldn't afford to feed her child.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Colt45 said
Different strokes for different folks ...For starters, many people continue to breed because their government gives assistance that increases with each child. Some young women think it would be "cute" or "fun" to have babies yet don't realize that at 17, 18, 19 years old, not many non-entry level (professional) jobs are going to employ them. And it takes a little more than the average fry-cooks wage to support one person, let alone yourself AND a child.
Another reason is that people believe that their love is enough to support a large family. Which is FALSE.
Then you have people that truly believe that they were given the capability to procreate because God (or whom ever) wants them to have populate the earth with many as many children as possible so as to ensure a legion of followers in heaven.
Many poor people in "third world countries" often don't have access to contraceptives, their religious beliefs prevent the use of them or the lack of basic sex education simply leaves them clueless to when they are fertile.
And then there are your average idiots who are too stupid to wrap it up or pop a pill. Or think that kids are meant to serve as lifelong companions or friends who will take care of them in THEIR old age.
kutrya420 said
One is a woman who had a ...One is a woman who had a complete mental breakdown
just madly in love with every mental breakdown person
chameleon said
Molten, are you even aware of ...Molten, are you even aware of the definition of birth control? It includes abstinence, natural methods and artificial contraceptives. Nobody is stopping "others" to be born here because nothing is conceived yet. But to each his own anyway...go forth and multiply:)
Molten Metal said
ghazal ...Those 62 rupees she will definitely sacrifice over her other family members - husband & other kids' basic needs for just one days meals, a piece of cloth or medicine if not this then what else ?
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Victory_278692 said
Well said Colt about the ...Well said Colt about the issues of third world countries.
Conceptually wrong notion........
Todays child will be oldman's walking stick :)
britexpat said
Some papers are saying that ...Some papers are saying that she may have sent the child to beg on the Nepalese border..
Molten Metal said
bree : truly ...We humans are all sons / daughters of a one 'single parent' - [ Almighty ]
We should show up when needed by our siblings, I believe.
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Pappu_Pager said
MM ...correct urslf we are not the childern of Almighty
Pappu_Pager said
miss mimi ...all of a sudden mental break down .....strange
ydlov12 said
agreed ...colt45 well-said!
"There is no good and evil. There is only power; and those too weak to seek it."
Miss Mimi said
It wasn't all of a sudden. ...It wasn't all of a sudden. It was post postpartum psychosis:
http://en.wikipedia....
While not as common as postpartum depression, it does happen and the results are pretty bad.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Pappu_Pager said
miss mimi ...but read her statement
Miss Mimi said
Here statement? Where she ...Here statement?
Where she said she killed her son because the devil told her to?
You think that's the statement of someone in their right mind?
Also, this happened in 2009, she's already been diagnosed with postpartum psychosis and institutionalized.
In some other articles I read her neighbours said she would be devastated when she came back to her right mind and realized what she did. Poor woman. :(
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
kutrya420 said
i m suffering from mental ...i m suffering from mental breakdown wld like to kill sumone any volunteers ?
Victory_278692 said
KUTRYA....many mental Qlers ...KUTRYA....many mental Qlers at your disposal
Pappu_Pager said
miss mimi ...we require defending lessons from you
geeldoon said
Due to lack of medical access ...Due to lack of medical access and health services child mortality is too high in poor areas; couples make more babies so that same die and some survive. Children are their only assets.
ydlov12 said
Children as assets ...Children as assets.. That's where the human mind goes wrong. You consider a child an asset and you choose when and for how high a price to sell them.
"There is no good and evil. There is only power; and those too weak to seek it."
Molten Metal said
Destitute woman who sold baby is missing ...Several voluntary groups in India and abroad have
come forward to support a destitute woman in
Bihar who sold her four-month-old son for Rs62 to
a Nepalese couple. But she is now missing. Shannu
Khatun, in her mid-30s, made the “sale” at the
Forbesganj railway station, near the India-Nepal
border in Araria district, about 350km from here.
The story has triggered a storm in Bihar. Araria
Superintendent of Police Shivdeep W Lande said
several organisations from Canada, Australia and
India have contacted him and also off ered to adopt
her three other children. “Thanks to the media, I
have got dozens of calls from these organisations
to help and support her,” he said. He did not name
the groups.
Gulf times today...
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stealth said
is this unique to third world ...is this unique to third world countries. i dont think so.
smiles_me said
they should not be prosecuted ...The woman who sold her baby should be the one to be prosecuted.Why? Imagine selling her baby just to provide herself with that meth?
Xena said
Explain why it is that everything ...even threads posted by an Indian becomes a east/west thing?
Someone from India posted this incident that happened in India, and when people comment immediately offence is taken.
Why is that? If you don't want people commenting on threads, don't bother to open them.
Logic says, if you cannot afford to have kids you cannot feed, don't have them.... be it in India or America... its got nothing to do with where you are from.
Stop being so defensive!
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Victory_278692 said
Xena...... ...Does every QL user is open minded and matured enough to to analyse and understand such issues?
Blame points start from mother, ignorance, health, poverty, and country's economy.....what does this reflects at the end of this discussion :)
Xena said
No Victory ...that is why I say, if you don't like the thread, stay away and don't post if you cannot give a un-biased opinion.
So what in your opinion are the underlying factors in this matter, if its none of the blame points you have discussed?
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Victory_278692 said
IMO....Such topics should not be posted on QL ...I go with Colt's comments....on this issue
There are several factors involved which allows / force a mother to sell her own child for such a meagre amount.
This discussion will go very far from over population to legal framework, religious/caste discrimination, child abuse, Women exploitation, ignorance, poverty, unemployment, bureucracy, Red tapism and corrupt Govts.
Such painful topics should not be posted on QL :(
tinkerbell10 said
Victory - No i dont agree ...Victory - No i dont agree that such topics shud not be posted. But we need to ignore useless comments and posters and move on. This is the reality of our country and not a pretty one but it is there for the world to see. Brushing it under that carpet is not going to solve anything.
That said - though the comments on use contraception if u cant afford etc.... holds true for educated people. This incident happened with a lady who lives under extreme poverty. And absolutely NO EDUCATION. Accept it - such women do not even have the freedom to use contraception even if they are told about it. How many such women have we seen in our localities? Dont we tell them the same thing? What reply do you get from them?
Its either the argument that once they grow older they will feed us or its against God or my husband / MIL wnats more kids / boys....all excuses but thats the reality. And when things get too hard to bear they sell their babies - not cuz they cant feed them (there are millions dying of starvation) but cuz the mother feels the child will atleast get a better life as in a warm meal and a bed to sleep on with a roof over their head.
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insanityOO7 said
/-a-t-/MM ..."...What's narrow minded and selfish is having children you can't afford to feed!..."
Rizq is from Allah and when a person is born he bring his rizq from Allah, so selfish and narrow minded is the one who does not have children fearing poverty.
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Victory_278692 said
Fine Tinks........... ...Such forums should be discussed among Elite Qlers with sufficient knowledge of the topic.
No doubt, women are suppressed and exploited in Indian rural and semi urban society. I dont like people to make a mockery of my country in Public.
Such painful topics should NOT be posted on QL, where all young and many visitors who are on QL for just fun and friendship...:(
Does every QL user is open minded and matured enough to analyse and understand such issues? I doubt
stealth said
havent one also seen reports ...havent one also seen reports of babies dropped down the garbage chute?
Miss Mimi said
Was that the one in the UAE ...Was that the one in the UAE stealth? I recently read that the baby seems to be suffering from brain damage. :(
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
tinkerbell10 said
Vic I understand your point ...Vic I understand your point clearly but if not us someone will post it and rather than getting defensive I think we need to accept our flaws too. As to not liking the mockery made - its on the international news. People world over are reading it and u will find bad and good among the comments just like here.
It is unfortunate i agree and no QL is not about fun and friendship only. As has been pointed out again and again by many...:this is not a dating site!"....:))) (that was meant to be funny..:))
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